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PlaidAndroid says: Nov 9, 2004, 3:11 PM
Sublime with no effort would have to be the best band in the world. I mean it basically has every type of music all wrapped into one sweet melody. This music would definately please the general audience. If you have listened to Sublime you will notice the different music within it, ska, reggae, rap, metal, and trippy un-specified tunes.Sublime does not have a specific genre, due to the fact that it is made up of all traits of music.
Some would also say that Sublime has a different effect on the listeners when they are high. I wouldn't know... but my friends tell me this. Well get back to me on this topic. I'd like to read your views.
cvincent says: Nov 9, 2004, 3:39 PM
They're alright. I have nothing against them.thebloodybrothers says: Nov 9, 2004, 4:47 PM
In the over all scheme of things, I think it is hard to say that Sublime would be the greatest band ever. You have groups like The Beatles and Led Zeppelin who are impossible to beat. Sublime wasn't really that influential and the death of their singer makes them a short lived influence at best. They didn't have the impact that even Nirvana had, one of the most overrated bands ever.cvincent says: Nov 9, 2004, 5:21 PM
Nirvana helped create and deliver a completely new genre of rock, and brought about the official death of hair metal. Overrated? They had no claim of "best guitarist" or "best drummer", but raw talent does not count as much as how that talent is applied.I agree, though... I mean, you just can't beat the Zep.
cvincent says: Nov 9, 2004, 5:22 PM
Because of this thread, I am now beating the hell out of my Zeppelin playlist.Leon5465 says: Nov 9, 2004, 5:55 PM
I usually get crucified for my musical preferences. I can not stand Sublime.I know I know... "OMFG WHO DUZNT LIKE DEM?!!11one" Well, I don't damnit! I also can not stand Incubus. Just hearing one of their songs makes me want to beat on children.
cvincent says: Nov 9, 2004, 5:57 PM
Awwwwwww...... Incubus??! You're just not into the laid-back, chilled kinda stuff, eh?Leon5465 says: Nov 9, 2004, 6:01 PM
Nein!Leon5465 says: Nov 9, 2004, 6:06 PM
Incubus just gets too repetitive. Their songs just repeat over and over.For example from "Wish You Were Here"
I wish you were here
I wish you were here
I wish you were here
I wish you were here
Or this... from "Nice to know you"
Nice to know you, good bye
Nice to know you, good bye
Nice to know you, good bye
Nice to know you, good bye
And God only knows how many times he says
pardon me in the song "Pardon Me"
And, they could at least come up with some more creative song titles...
cvincent says: Nov 9, 2004, 7:52 PM
Obviously you don't listen to much that isn't on the radio.thebloodybrothers says: Nov 9, 2004, 8:01 PM
On Nirvana: they were in the right place at the right time. Hair metal was already dying. All of those bands were falling apart and creating really bad (even worse) music. It just so happened that Seattle was the place the record companies decided to whore out. There was really no rhyme or reason as to which bands got famous. Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Nirvana did. Mudhoney, the Meat Puppets, the Melvins, etc didn't get popular (for the most part). Cobain wrote straight-forward rock songs that were catchy, but far from masterful. He did stick the nail in hair metals coffin and that can be appreciated, but Nirvana has to be far, far away from the top of the greatest bands of all time list.cvincent says: Nov 9, 2004, 8:24 PM
Straight forward rock? You're probably talking about the verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, chorus format. Cobain knew this and that's one thing he didn't like about his work (you can read it in his journals).Other than that, he was at the head of a revolution, whether picked "at random" or not. If you don't like Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, and the rest, then this is simply something you won't appreciate.
And as long as we're talking about the industry's process, aren't almost all of the greatest bands where they are for being at the "right place at the right time"? Unless, of course, they signed themselves, but that's a different story.
And by the way, Nirvana payed tons of homage to the bands in Seattle that didn't make the industry's list. Many of them you probably heard of because of Nirvana. Does that subjugate their talent to Nirvana? No, but you have to realize that Nirvana was not a band that strived to compete against other artists. They were all about the music.
What you think is "straightforward rock" is your opinion and nothing more. I suspect it is simply the meme of music elitists who can't stand liking what is popular because it makes them feel ordinary.
ccarpenter says: Nov 9, 2004, 8:25 PM
To be honest with you, I've never been able to completely fall in love with Nirvana, Incubus or Sublime. I like two or three Incubus songs (Turning Japanese!), two Sublime songs (What I Got, Santeria) and I can listen to most Nirvana songs, but again, I don't love them outright. I can think of several bands that are or were better than the aforementioned three.Tool, for example. The Beatles. Zeppelin, Steve Miller Band. No one beats the Edgar Winter Group for sheer musical talent. The band consisted of five PhDs in musical arts. Listen to Frankenstein. It will blow your mind.
It all depends on what genre you enjoy, and for me, it's most if not all of them. So I can really give you an unbiased opinion of what bands are loaded with the most talent. However, this doesn't determine the greatness of the band. You can have be talented musically and have crappy lyrics, or vice versa. It takes a very special group of people to be immortal.
In conclusion, women are soft and good for cuddling.
cvincent says: Nov 9, 2004, 8:35 PM
Rush were also PhDs.Leon5465 says: Nov 9, 2004, 8:43 PM
Steve Miller Band! w00t!Dris said he never heard of them. Then I showed him all the great bad ass songs they sing and he said he knows and likes them all.
cvincent says: Nov 9, 2004, 9:03 PM
lol... what can I say? They don't have a very distinctive name.thebloodybrothers says: Nov 10, 2004, 12:04 AM
Moderator: Double post. :P — cvincent
thebloodybrothers says: Nov 10, 2004, 12:11 AM
Thats weird. I didnt repost that but whatever. In response to CV: I'm not saying I don't like Nirvana. I use to listen to their music all the time. All I'm saying is they aren't even close to the best band of all time. I didn't say they forced their way to the spotlight, overshadowing other bands, I'm saying they were picked. Wether they paid homage to those bands is besides the point. And as to being "straightforward", you know they were. It isn't as if straightforward is a bad thing and I don't use it here like it is. But "Smells Like Teen Spirit", for example, is like 4 power chords. Most of their songs are like that because Kurt wasn't the best musician. He could write a pop song, not pop like Usher or Britney Spears, but pop as in everyone could listen and enjoy. And yes, most bands that become huge are in the right place at the right time. But their were a lot of bands in Seattle, and to say that Nirvana killed hair metal is false.Again: Nirvana=Good (not close to my favorite) but not the best band ever.
cvincent says: Nov 10, 2004, 1:02 AM
Certainly not the best band ever. I thought that you were simply diminishing Nirvana's goodness in general.Most songs were indeed straightforward, but certainly miles better than the typical crap we have today. Back then, they could still do guitar solos, however simple.
And of course, simple != bad (for non-programmers, simple is not equal to bad), as you said. On the lyrical side, however, Nirvana was nothing like pop. Cobain wrote his lyrics such that he could understand them; he didn't care if nobody else got it, because his music was very personal. Whether he was the best musician on a technical level doesn't really matter; the man loved to write music, and he was damn good at it, even if the songs were simple.
I think Nirvana's influence and the new attitude they introduced to rock music makes them among the greatest bands of all time. You simply cannot have rock today (good and bad) without Nirvana creating inspiration for a new generation of musicians. Had Jimi Hendrix only been an average guitarist, his influence would have still elevated him to the top of the list. Perhaps not the list of greatest guitarists, but certainly the list of most important and influential.
ccarpenter says: Nov 10, 2004, 6:02 AM
The best thing about the Steve Miller Band is that every song they sing was good to some extent, and they sang all those cool old 70's songs that you never knew the name of.Big ol' Jet Airliner
Don't carry me too far away
joe says: Nov 10, 2004, 5:16 PM
The Beatles were the best band ever. There's no band to date that has achieved the same broad appeal and artistic merit than the four. They've influenced every genre of music.As far as Cobain goes, he is, undoubtedly, one of the greatest artists of the 20th century. No one else on Earth could have written such timeless songs as All Apologies, Heart Shaped Box, and Come As You Are, Lithium, and the teen angst anthem of all time, Smells Like Teen Spirit. Although not the best musician, he connected with people genuinely through his words and persona.
thebloodybrothers says: Nov 10, 2004, 8:17 PM
The 20th Century was long my friend. A lot of artists.How's this for genius lyrics:
The priest's tongue slips out like a jackal.
every eye in the audience spinning like a drill.
the groom plucks a key from the rapture tree
and opens her ribcage like a squealing armoire.
her lungs and liver screaming mercy mercy mercy,
while they re arrange the wires in her heart.
i now pronounce you smiling like a grave,
i now pronounce you a new york slave.
cwcbb33 says: Nov 10, 2004, 8:36 PM
Alright i know doesn't quite fit into the genre of music you guys listen too but if we are talking about great bands the Dave Matthews Band has to be thrown into that conversation, Great Lyrics, Great Musicians, Great Solos, Great Everything. Not to mention a GIGANTIC fan base. What more could you ask for.joe says: Nov 11, 2004, 11:29 AM
Yeah, DMB is hella badass. Dave is definitely one of the greatest modern guitar players.He rarely plays electric, right chuck?
cvincent says: Nov 11, 2004, 1:29 PM
Dave Matthews is good... but the hell if I'm gonna let anyone tell me their drummer beats Neil Peart or Danny Carrey, not that he's bad or anything.Of course, that wasn't anybody here, so all is well.
Leon5465 says: Nov 11, 2004, 1:39 PM
Danny Carrey! w00tFor best vocals I'd say Maynard takes the cake. The sound of his voice changes with each song and it always blends in so well with the music. His voice is like an instrument on it's own.
Guitarist would probably be Jimmy Paige from Led Zeppelin. I believe no further explanation is necessary.
thebloodybrothers says: Nov 11, 2004, 4:59 PM
If you think Neil Perry is the greatest drummer ever, you need to go rent the T.V. Series Freaks and Geeks from the WPL and watch an episode where the kid obsessed with Rush is forced to listen to some of the great jazz drummers and his mind is absolutely blown. It's hilarious.cvincent says: Nov 11, 2004, 5:16 PM
...who's Neil Perry?The guy's name is Neil Peart. And Peart does jazz drumming as well; hell, there isn't a great drummer in this hemisphere who has not done a lot of heavy jazz studies.
Of course, being a great drummer is more than independent limbs and speed. Even the complexity of the rhythm can be memorized and played back. The real measure is the ability to switch flawlessly between tempos and time signatures and still maintain creativity with the rhythm. This is the mark of Neil Peart's and Danny Carrey's abilities. Like I said, both of them did extensive studies in jazz drumming.
joe says: Nov 11, 2004, 5:38 PM
Eddie and Alex Van Halen are both badasses.I think Carey and Peart both beat Alex, but Eddie definitely triumphs over Page in terms of skill. Page could just write the best licks ever imagineable. They were technical but never too hard to digest or had a feeling of total overkill. Eddie's material is just more mind blowing then anything.
Of course if you really want to get down to it, blue-grass guitarists are probably the best in terms of guitar playing.
Chet Atkins. Two songs on the same guitar at the same time, live.
Guitarists are so hard to judge. The only way to judge them is when they are just jaming, and often times they are just screwing around, doing crowd pleasers.
As far as the best rock bands from a musical standpoint, I'd have to say Rush and Led Zeppelin. Rush maybe had a slight edge in drumming, but Zeppelin defintely had the edge in vocals.
thebloodybrothers says: Nov 11, 2004, 6:10 PM
I was just saying you should check out the show, it's hilarious. And I don't know why I said Perry, I knew it was Peart.ccarpenter says: Nov 12, 2004, 6:18 AM
Screw all your bands.Friggin' Charlie Daniels Band.
Discuss.
PlaidAndroid says: Nov 12, 2004, 10:40 AM
I agree with you chris that nothing beats the "zep" they are classics that will out live their time beyond imagination. But to Leons response on the band sublime, Your a Dumbass. How are they uninfluential. They are their own style nothing else is like it, and on another note, have you never heard the song "What i Got" being sung by teenagers in your area? I dont know anyone who doesnt atleast no a couple lines to that song. And on one more note did you not see the culture that was brought up by Sublime. The band brought a new type of listening to all stoners. They arent scarce, stoners are everywhere. Sublime brought out the laid back atmosphere of the drug culture. Its like zeplin not in the sense of style but in the sense of influence, Sublime is just more modern. Like the band Radio head it carries out the same message as Pink Floyd but modernized, vincent you will agree that there are alot of similarities between the two.And about Incubus, once again leon you targeted a band that stressed individuality, Incubus also has a different style, and their lyrics are out of this world, its poetry, but obviosly it exceeds your level of understanding. What are you a conformist? You obviously arent musically literate, amd you must not respect individuality.
Get back on that
Leon5465 says: Nov 12, 2004, 11:56 AM
I never said Sublime wasn't influential. I just don't like their music. Same with Incubus. I do like that they're unique but it just doesn't suit my tastes. If you want a band that sings poetry, check out Dredg. They blow Incubus out of the water. Or if you want lyrics that require a high level of understanding, look at Tool. Just one of their songs has more meaning than most albums do. And no, I am not a conformist. Almost everyone likes Sublime and Incubus. If anything, you are the conformist. As I said, I often get cruicified for my musical preferences and you just proved it.Leon5465 says: Nov 12, 2004, 11:57 AM
Oh, and the only words I know to "What I Got" are what I got.PlaidAndroid says: Nov 12, 2004, 2:34 PM
Leon i apologize, you werent the one that said they were uninfluential it was bloody brothers, so really most of that message goes to him, i was going off on a tangent and mixed up to different conversations sorry, and thank you for recommending that band to me, and if you were some what interested in another band that is somewhat poetic (if you dont already know), the band sparta. They are awesome. Their not really that well known but they tour with incubus. On November 18th in Wichita Incubus is coming, Sparta was originally suppose to come but i think that might have changed. Im not a 100% sure though.I know you dont really like them but maybe you should listen to other songs from them that arent ruined by radio. All those songs are really good but the ones played on the radio have been destroyed.
Its a shame but its the way shit works.
Get back to me on that.
PlaidAndroid says: Nov 12, 2004, 2:48 PM
Its not the matter of liking a band thats popularly liked. Its not about that at all. What i like about Sublime and Incubus is the fact that they have their own style. I could care a less if their "to popular." I just prefer that individual style.Oh, and to all you "punks" out there. Your genre lacks musical talent. Theres nothing special about being a punk. Sorry to say it but all you punks think your so rebellious and so different. Well, ha ha, so does Ashley Simpson.
People strive for individuality, and the point is, its impossible. Do you realize that even the people that say they are uncomformist conform to be uncomformists. Its impossible. The answer strictly lies with the famous phrase, "just be yourself." But I dont really see that happening anytime soon.
thebloodybrothers says: Nov 12, 2004, 4:37 PM
To say that Sublime influenced a ton of stoners to be stoners does not make them one of the greatest groups ever. When I said they weren't influential, I mean they weren't influential in the music scene, at least not as influential as you would like to believe. Give me a list of super amazing bands that cite Sublime as an influence. And I hope you aren't referring to me as thinking I'm "punk". Because I really hate punk music and anyone who self-applies a title like that is an idiot.rhizomeness says: Nov 12, 2004, 10:55 PM
The Beatles. No band has ever been as far-reaching and influential. And we may not see another like them again, ever, with the crap that's coming out of most places these days.ccarpenter says: Nov 14, 2004, 10:10 PM
I think most of us can agree that there hasn't ever been a band as influential as the Beatles. In 1963 they produced 6 chart-topping albums. Six in one year.Now we have our genres, and we manage to get into pathetic arguments to force others to believe that a band in our genre is better than a band in their genre.
This is why I've abandoned the whole damned genre idea. I can tolerate any music. There are songs that are straight up bad, of course, but most songs are fairly good. There are those that I absolutely love, but again, I do not exclude any genre. Music is music. Simple Plan can make good songs. So can Tool.
But none of them are the Beatles.
BigL says: Nov 15, 2004, 3:09 PM
well its all about opinion, and no one is about to pursuade any one else, so like i say so many times a day, "who gives a F?"ccarpenter says: Nov 15, 2004, 7:40 PM
Opinion is fine. Saying people are dumb for not liking your genre is retarded.joe says: Nov 16, 2004, 6:31 AM
except when they actually are dumb, right chris?PlaidAndroid says: Nov 19, 2004, 10:17 AM
Moderator: Derogatory and a low-blow. ;) — ccarpenter
PlaidAndroid says: Nov 19, 2004, 10:18 AM
Moderator: Double post. — cvincent
PlaidAndroid says: Nov 19, 2004, 10:19 AM
Moderator: Triple post. — cvincent
Leon5465 says: Nov 22, 2004, 1:16 PM
How about Ted Nugent? He's a damn good guitarist.joaks says: Nov 23, 2004, 10:01 AM
definitelyZeph says: Nov 23, 2004, 9:27 PM
It bothers me that people are always trying to find the 'best' of anything. Variance of opinion will always make that impossible, but I guess it is fun to argue about shit.ccarpenter says: Nov 24, 2004, 5:01 PM
Indeed.josh says: Nov 27, 2004, 1:34 AM
Nirvana, stfu.kyouteki says: Nov 29, 2004, 4:04 PM
I would agree that the Beatles are the most generally inluential band ever. However, there are bands and people in every genre and for every instrument that are more influential in a very specific way. For example, Zamfir with the pan pipes, Cobain with the guitar, Aretha Franklin with the big female voice.PlaidAndroid says: Nov 30, 2004, 3:01 PM
What duragatory statement did i make carp, or were you just compelled to be a total jerkface?comedians says: Nov 30, 2004, 7:24 PM
Anyone like "The Who"PlaidAndroid says: Dec 1, 2004, 9:18 AM
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cvincent says: Dec 1, 2004, 9:24 AM
Zildjiankicksmyass says: Dec 1, 2004, 8:51 PM
well, it realy all depends on the genre of music. even if you say rock there is metal, punk, alternative, etc...But i think everyone is failing to mention The Doors...
p.s. neil peart and danny carrey are badasses
cvincent says: Dec 1, 2004, 10:02 PM
Absolute bad asses.Jeez, how did we miss the Doors??
PlaidAndroid says: Dec 6, 2004, 9:15 AM
Moderator: Not pertinent, not related and not intelligent — ccarpenter
johnnypetrich says: May 8, 2006, 2:33 PM
If you want to talk about musically inclined,try "The string cheese incident"now these guys play every type of music exept rap or metal.if you buy the live stuff then you will throw away those gratefuldead cds.josh says: Jan 21, 2007, 7:14 PM
Led Zeppelin.The End.
FREESTkYLE2 says: May 6, 2007, 10:18 PM
Sorry I'm just getting into this site when no one else really uses it anymore. But I just like being able to say what I think. And in my opinion, the band Thursday is the greatest band ever. They may not play the toughest music or have the most epic sound or have the best vocals ever but i don't believe any band has more originality as Thursday. They have some of the deepest lyrics ever written that keeps you thinking. They aren't just any other rock band that just tries getting by with catchy beats and poppy lyrics. What they stand for truly comes from the heart and if people would really listen to what they have to say and apply it to their lives, I believe this world would be a much better place. Although, people call the Beatles and Elvis revolutionary they really don't have as much potential to change the way we live as Thursday does.Post Reply
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